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		<title>By: Nora</title>
		<link>http://challenges.blogivists.com/2009/02/21/spain-rebirth-and-union-islamic-party-founded/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, &lt;strong&gt;John&lt;/strong&gt;. It&#039;s very appreciated.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://challenges.blogivists.com/2009/02/21/spain-rebirth-and-union-islamic-party-founded/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great coverage on this, Nora.  I&#039;ve linked it up at IAC. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/03/04/spain-an-islamic-political-party-emerges/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spain: An Islamic political party emerges&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;em&gt;John&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/03/04/spain-an-islamic-political-party-emerges/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spain: An Islamic political party emerges&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=586c0b5fe9bd2d77598439e32ab91c1c&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Great coverage on this, Nora.  I&#8217;ve linked it up at IAC. </p>
<p><a href="http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/03/04/spain-an-islamic-political-party-emerges/" rel="nofollow">Spain: An Islamic political party emerges</a></p>
<p><em>John&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/03/04/spain-an-islamic-political-party-emerges/' rel="nofollow">Spain: An Islamic political party emerges</a></em>
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		<title>By: The Hunter</title>
		<link>http://challenges.blogivists.com/2009/02/21/spain-rebirth-and-union-islamic-party-founded/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure.  That&#039;s why there is so much rioting and unrest when someone dares to publicly tell the truth about Islam.

&lt;em&gt;The Hunter&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://diehardthehunter.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/balochistan-part-2/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Balochistan, Part 2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=2547192ef741c88bf98ecb6a2efbacf6&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />I&#8217;m sure.  That&#8217;s why there is so much rioting and unrest when someone dares to publicly tell the truth about Islam.</p>
<p><em>The Hunter&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://diehardthehunter.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/balochistan-part-2/' rel="nofollow">Balochistan, Part 2</a></em>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
		<link>http://challenges.blogivists.com/2009/02/21/spain-rebirth-and-union-islamic-party-founded/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The truth has a special ring to it, so people know it when they hear it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not so sure, &lt;b&gt;Hunter&lt;/b&gt;. I think people want to hear what they want to hear. People are not normally used to telling others the truth and they even lie to themselves. There are a lot of relationships based on a &lt;i&gt;façade&lt;/i&gt; much more than in real commitment (and not only in &quot;love&quot; affairs, but also in friendship or in commercial relations). 

So, would normal Muslims (I mean, people who are not foolish) reconsider their own opinions, their own ideas, their own beliefs? I&#039;m not very sure. yes, there will some of them who will with a high personal cost. But the majority would not. I am not saying that&#039;s a Muslim/Islamic thing, that&#039;s a human thing. There are very few people who are searching for the truth. So when confronted with the truth only a very tiny minority will dare to confront it.</description>
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<blockquote>The truth has a special ring to it, so people know it when they hear it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure, <b>Hunter</b>. I think people want to hear what they want to hear. People are not normally used to telling others the truth and they even lie to themselves. There are a lot of relationships based on a <i>façade</i> much more than in real commitment (and not only in &#8220;love&#8221; affairs, but also in friendship or in commercial relations). </p>
<p>So, would normal Muslims (I mean, people who are not foolish) reconsider their own opinions, their own ideas, their own beliefs? I&#8217;m not very sure. yes, there will some of them who will with a high personal cost. But the majority would not. I am not saying that&#8217;s a Muslim/Islamic thing, that&#8217;s a human thing. There are very few people who are searching for the truth. So when confronted with the truth only a very tiny minority will dare to confront it.
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		<title>By: The Hunter</title>
		<link>http://challenges.blogivists.com/2009/02/21/spain-rebirth-and-union-islamic-party-founded/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting discussion at that link, Nora.  Thanks!

The solution:  speak the truth.  The truth has a special ring to it, so people know it when they hear it.  The more the truth is spoken, the more dysfunctional the extremist versions of Islam will show themselves to be.  Decent people who are Muslims will have to reconsider what they know of Islam, and they will be confronted with a choice:  abandon it, reform it, or join the ranks of jihadist honor-killing fanatic freaks.

&lt;em&gt;The Hunter&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://diehardthehunter.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/once-upon-a-time/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Once Upon a Time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=2547192ef741c88bf98ecb6a2efbacf6&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />A very interesting discussion at that link, Nora.  Thanks!</p>
<p>The solution:  speak the truth.  The truth has a special ring to it, so people know it when they hear it.  The more the truth is spoken, the more dysfunctional the extremist versions of Islam will show themselves to be.  Decent people who are Muslims will have to reconsider what they know of Islam, and they will be confronted with a choice:  abandon it, reform it, or join the ranks of jihadist honor-killing fanatic freaks.</p>
<p><em>The Hunter&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://diehardthehunter.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/once-upon-a-time/' rel="nofollow">Once Upon a Time</a></em>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
		<link>http://challenges.blogivists.com/2009/02/21/spain-rebirth-and-union-islamic-party-founded/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;While many Muslims deny this, and may honestly believe it is not true, Islam cannot peacefully coexist with other religions; it is, by its nature, imperialistic. And, the militant version that the Saudis spread (similar to other variants found in the Islamosphere), cannot peacefully coexist with less militant brands of Islam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I know your position on this, &lt;b&gt;Hunter&lt;/b&gt;. Read this and the comments:
http://covenantzone.blogspot.com/2009/02/no-room-for-winston-churchill-in-obamas.html
So, what solution there is? Because I really don&#039;t see anyone (or at least any &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt; one. :(</description>
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<blockquote>While many Muslims deny this, and may honestly believe it is not true, Islam cannot peacefully coexist with other religions; it is, by its nature, imperialistic. And, the militant version that the Saudis spread (similar to other variants found in the Islamosphere), cannot peacefully coexist with less militant brands of Islam.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know your position on this, <b>Hunter</b>. Read this and the comments:<br />
<a href="http://covenantzone.blogspot.com/2009/02/no-room-for-winston-churchill-in-obamas.html" rel="nofollow">http://covenantzone.blogspot.com/2009/02/no-room-for-winston-churchill-in-obamas.html</a><br />
So, what solution there is? Because I really don&#8217;t see anyone (or at least any <i>possible</i> one. <img src='http://challenges.blogivists.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
		<link>http://challenges.blogivists.com/2009/02/21/spain-rebirth-and-union-islamic-party-founded/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, &lt;b&gt;AOW&lt;/b&gt;, it&#039;s founded but it&#039;s not approved yet. It&#039;s an embryo of political party, which doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not going to exist... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=479e75e06c209d1081a5caa61f827840&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Well, <b>AOW</b>, it&#8217;s founded but it&#8217;s not approved yet. It&#8217;s an embryo of political party, which doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not going to exist&#8230; <img src='http://challenges.blogivists.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, &lt;b&gt;Sarah&lt;/b&gt;, but what worries me is that they haven&#039;t said what they really want. As FrontPageMag says:
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=813FD3E8-4D63-4F25-AD6D-72048DB41D48
&lt;blockquote&gt;In 2004, an imam in Spain, Mohammed Kamal Mustafa, was found guilty of “inciting violence on the basis of gender” for his book Women in Islam, which discussed the methods and limits of administering “physical punishment” of women.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think they are lying because they fear the consequences of saying what they really want. So they just speak in metaphores, people don&#039;t worry about what happens and so they can continue operating under the radar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=479e75e06c209d1081a5caa61f827840&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Yes, <b>Sarah</b>, but what worries me is that they haven&#8217;t said what they really want. As FrontPageMag says:<br />
<a href="http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=813FD3E8-4D63-4F25-AD6D-72048DB41D48" rel="nofollow">http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=813FD3E8-4D63-4F25-AD6D-72048DB41D48</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In 2004, an imam in Spain, Mohammed Kamal Mustafa, was found guilty of “inciting violence on the basis of gender” for his book Women in Islam, which discussed the methods and limits of administering “physical punishment” of women.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think they are lying because they fear the consequences of saying what they really want. So they just speak in metaphores, people don&#8217;t worry about what happens and so they can continue operating under the radar.
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		<title>By: The Hunter</title>
		<link>http://challenges.blogivists.com/2009/02/21/spain-rebirth-and-union-islamic-party-founded/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a two-step process.

First is to spread Islam among the infidels, especially those who feel somehow disenfranchised.  This is the same as pretty much any political movement does:  the communists, the Nazis, and even political movements that we like and respect.

The second step is to radicalize the Islamic community.  Old communities of Muslims in the world have accepted money from Saudi Arabia, but it is very much a deal with the devil, as the Saudis spread their own extremist, militant brand of Islam.

We see both of these steps ongoing pretty much all the time, but in places like the UK, you will see 1) the numbers of Muslims growing and 2) the mosques getting more radical.

While many Muslims deny this, and may honestly believe it is not true, Islam cannot peacefully coexist with other religions; it is, by its nature, imperialistic.  And, the militant version that the Saudis spread (similar to other variants found in the Islamosphere), cannot peacefully coexist with less militant brands of Islam.

This is a great big dark cloud hanging over the earth, and it is not going to go away.

&lt;em&gt;The Hunter&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://diehardthehunter.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/once-upon-a-time/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Once Upon a Time&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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<p>First is to spread Islam among the infidels, especially those who feel somehow disenfranchised.  This is the same as pretty much any political movement does:  the communists, the Nazis, and even political movements that we like and respect.</p>
<p>The second step is to radicalize the Islamic community.  Old communities of Muslims in the world have accepted money from Saudi Arabia, but it is very much a deal with the devil, as the Saudis spread their own extremist, militant brand of Islam.</p>
<p>We see both of these steps ongoing pretty much all the time, but in places like the UK, you will see 1) the numbers of Muslims growing and 2) the mosques getting more radical.</p>
<p>While many Muslims deny this, and may honestly believe it is not true, Islam cannot peacefully coexist with other religions; it is, by its nature, imperialistic.  And, the militant version that the Saudis spread (similar to other variants found in the Islamosphere), cannot peacefully coexist with less militant brands of Islam.</p>
<p>This is a great big dark cloud hanging over the earth, and it is not going to go away.</p>
<p><em>The Hunter&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://diehardthehunter.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/once-upon-a-time/' rel="nofollow">Once Upon a Time</a></em>
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		<title>By: ekawaaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekawaaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh My My So more trouble time for Spain. Dont worry about their motives, they always have one motive and that is Rule the World under Sharia law, Molestate women and kill all un belivers...

&lt;em&gt;ekawaaz&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://ekawaaz.org/2009/02/22/iran-offered-nuclear-deal-to-stop-iraq-troop-attacks/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iran offered nuclear deal to stop Iraq troop attacks&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style='float: right; margin-left: 10px;' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=286565d16f0b736a15de8518e3a74e6f&amp;size=60&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif' alt='' />Oh My My So more trouble time for Spain. Dont worry about their motives, they always have one motive and that is Rule the World under Sharia law, Molestate women and kill all un belivers&#8230;</p>
<p><em>ekawaaz&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://ekawaaz.org/2009/02/22/iran-offered-nuclear-deal-to-stop-iraq-troop-attacks/' rel="nofollow">Iran offered nuclear deal to stop Iraq troop attacks</a></em>
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